Category Archives: Lou Engle

Who Will Pat Nominate Now?

Lo and behold, Pat Robertson’s nominee has bowed out and endorsed John McCain.

Rudy Guiliani’s risky strategy to jump in the fray 1 month after everyone else collapsed with a 3rd place finish in Florida. I wrote previously about my surprise that a televangelist so closely associated with the “religious right” would endorse a liberal for President, simply because he looked like he would win.

I wrote about another evangelist who simply called for a 3 day fast for God to raise up a pro-life candidate. That contender is still in the running despite a woefully inadequate financial purse. Let’s keep praying.

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Spotted After Uprising Conference

Went to see Lou Engle and others in CT this weekend.

Weird sightings on the drive home, I think God is trying to tell all eastbound travellers something –

1. Lordship, exit 8 – road sign

2. Defend our heritage – billboard

3. Wordin – road sign

there was also a OneThing billboard with the same font. It was for energy conservation though.

Thanks to everyone involved, I was so thankful that Lou, Allen Hood, and the many others travelled to the east coast to impart this stuff here.

Thoughts About Iowa

Watching the caucus returns. A few thoughts:

1. Huckabee and Chuck Norris currently have a 9% lead over the pack, 85% reporting. They just showed up for a victory speech too.

2. This is JUST A PRIMARY! These thing barely got coverage when I was first following these political things. The media is treating this as if it is “Super Tuesday” or a party nomination. We are all in for a long, grueling haul.

3. If you were at or watching The Call Monday, people prayed this in, I am convinced. This guy called an Esther fast specifically for a candidate who was pro-life to emerge. I’m not proud to admit that my first reaction was to get offended, since I am just not able or willing to go on that type of fast – I’m not in that league, nor do I think that it would be safe for me to do so right now, especially with zero notice. So a lot of people particularly in the midwest have been praying and fasting in extreme ways to release grace for a candidate who defends life.

4. A bunch of people in my circles who love God and the unborn have written Huckabee off previously as “unelectable”. A prominent televangelist endorsed a pro-choice, pro-alternative marriage Republican nominee months ago. I am also convinced that aside from some serious divine favor Huckabee is unelectable, because I don’t think the Republican party gives much of a rip about defending life or decency, as evidenced a year ago – unless you are talking about the war on terror. East coast Republicans to a large degree seem to be willing to just support someone with an anti-life, anti-traditional agenda, as long as he can fight terrorism.

I’m convinced that the people who are willing to go without their basic needs for 3 days are on to something. The rest of us can be “practical” or we can cry out for God to set up a leader that would reflect his heart. And if you can skip a couple meals to pray for someone with godly values to be raised up as a leader, the better. I don’t suggest that you go without water unless you hear from God, however.

5. This looks too clear-cut for me to believe. But it is just Iowa, another 49 states to go. For a pro-life, traditional marriage candidate to succeed anywhere outside the midwest will definitely require the hand of Providence. It requires peoples’ hearts to change. Otherwise I think people here on the east coast are likely to riot. I’d like to do what I can to pray and ask for God to have mercy via some righteous leaders.

6. I’m also a big believer that God might just be pleased to give us someone who does NOT stand for godly principles, in order to test the church –

  • Are we willing to bless and pray for a president who many would consider an “enemy”?
  • Do we believe God can change the heart of a ruler?
  • Will we go to sleep again should God raise a godly president?
  • Is it possible for someone with such a wild rise to remain humble & teachable?

Fasten your seat belt. Personally, I think Chuck Norris will make a great Secretary of Defense, what with those roundhouse kicks and all.

The Call – KC

It’s 4pm on the east coast, 9 more hours left to login to http://www.god.tv and watch The Call. It is really intense – I went to Nashville for that event, this is very intense.

Everyone is crying out “LIFE” for the past 30 minutes. I’m thinking we need to start crying out for people’s hearts to be convicted as this legislation is passed. That will be a greater battle than just getting a law passed. I can’t imagine how people will respond if God doesn’t convict them once righteous laws are passed.

Now they’ve got the little kids praying… it’s just like Jesus Camp, minus the skewed filmmaker bias. What group is better to pray for LIFE than the generation that could have been terminated 4, 5, 6 years ago? Perhaps these kids understand the dynamic better than us adults.

Jesus Camp on A&E

Watching the OneThing conference on the web, and Jesus Camp on A&E.

I wrote about the buzz concerning this PG-13 documentary before, but hadn’t seen it until now. So far I’m not exactly sure what the hype is all about, unless the thought of children speaking in tongues scares the pants off you. Then again, it probably does.

Perhaps I’m too far in the prayer subculture, and perhaps I take the current plight of America (terror, precarious economics, spiritual apathy) too seriously, but I’m not sure what the big deal is here. I’m thankful for these concerned filmmakers who will probably end up popularizing a more passionate brand of active spirituality in the younger generation.

In short, this documentary seems to be created due to the filmmakers’ alarm about three main things –

  1. Extreme Charismatic worship / social action
  2. “Indoctrinating” Children in Evangelism
  3. Religious Right overtones

I do object to the one kid’s mullet – now that IS scary.

Observations & Point-by-Point subjective summary

  1. Global Warming dismissed at the homeschooler class lesson
    • evangelicals portrayed with head in the sand (this can be somewhat true in my experience)
    • why knock the homeschool movement? Should loving parents be forced to relegate their kids to be indoctrinated by strangers???
  2. Why is the moderate DJ objecting to creationism taught along evolutionism? I don’t get that. Why not portray the moderate DJ as more open minded than that?
  3. Is there a law that says that 9 year olds shouldn’t tell people God loves them in a bowling alley? And of course it’s awkward – it’s evangelism in post-modern USA.
  4. Judgmental young girl bashes Britney and other pop tarts. Smart girl, although perhaps not very tactful. Still, she is capable of discerning between using your talents to worship God instead of performing for people!
  5. Pledge to the Christian flag – it’s different than the one I had to say. This altered version had something about a “brotherhood”, which I admit is potentially disturbing! I just need to listen to that again.
  6. Critical portrayal of Carmen rap: “Who’s in Da House?… J.C!” Can’t fault them too much for this one. Tacky.
  7. Talking to kids about how sin grows in our lives – starts with a cute lion cub stuffed animal, and grows into a big stuffed lion. Thought it was a pretty good analogy. Then some strong words about Harry Potter.
  8. Group repentance by the kids. It looks coerced, because this is a revival type meeting, and there is certainly potential for this – it is a revival meeting. That’s what you do at these things, you repent! Our culture is far enough away from this that it looks aberrant to them, but it is “old time religion” in a sense.
  9. Some sort of “Lord of the Flies” type montage with prepubescent boys playing with flashlights and ghost stories. They are summarily rebuked in a surprisingly loving manner by their counselor. Yeah, wrong camp to be doing creepy stories!
  10. They said the “Life” prayer to end abortion. Somebody tell me why a little kid wouldn’t want to pray this prayer?
  11. Some poor kid in the lunchroom looks like Harry Potter and is called on it.
  12. Sharp, yet tactless kid talks about “dead churches” where the people don’t jump up and down screaming, etc. Probably not the right kid to lead your inter-faith prayer meeting… (and apologies to all the people who love Jesus just as sincerely in your churches without being quite as demonstrative)
  13. Showing the mullet kid practicing his preaching. He preaches a whole lot better than I could.
  14. Kids praying for righteous government. There’s some sort of symbolism with breaking dinnerware that is never explained to the viewer. Coffee mugs getting the living crud smashed out of them. It certainly looks strange. And it gets a bit intense here too, these sorts of meetings offend me whenever I sit in them, and frankly I have found that God usually exposes something in me that needs to be adjusted through my offendedness. This sequence is spliced together in a way that makes the meeting look even more offensive/scary than it may have been. All of the sudden the kids have warpaint on doing another dance skit. I surmise the reality is that the meeting would probably offend most of us, just due to the intensity of it.
  15. Mullet kid (who is becoming the protagonist) shares his view that US is God’s nation but something has gone wrong. This is a bit oversimplified and I wouldn’t agree with the implication, but then again it’s not too far off either
  16. Ah, the famous George W Bush worship scene – they took a life size cutout of GWB and prayed for him with their hands stretched out. A lot of other believers see this and might think that the kids were worshipping him. This is a typical way a lot of charismatics pray, (stretching out your hand when you pray) as opposed to praying with one’s hands in their pockets. Just a tad more active than that, keeps your mind from wandering off – like folding your hands at the dinner table. However, I have never heard of a cutout cardboard being used as a prop (they would probably call this a “point of contact” 🙂 )
  17. Lou Engle cameo. He’s wearing a LIFE shirt and I can’t see any grey hair on him. He quotes Dr. Seuss and shows them life sized fetus models. I’ve stood with this guy in Philly and in DC, and he is the real deal. He leads the kids in the LiFE prayer, loudly. He is also shockeling (rocking back and forth), which he always does, a bit odd if you’ve never seen it before. But it is really how he prays – like he is standing before the Wailing Wall. A girl blinks and like 7 tears gush out of her eyes.
  18. This DJ articulates the “threat” of christian voters. Uh – last I checked, the US was still a democracy. What is his problem? It is the same thing as right-wing christians like us belly aching about some other group that organized in greater unity and passed their opposing agenda in the government.
  19. New Life Church / Ted Haggard cameo – the mullet protaganist apparently goes here. Question – are you praying for Ted, or did you condemn him when he was disgraced like everyone else in the media? Taken in the context of this film, the clips I saw on youtube from Jesus Camp are not quite as awful as out of the context on youtube. They’re certainly not pleasant though.
  20. Someone needs to show the documentary creators the verse about how we are commanded to pray for our political leaders, since Haggard was also praying for Bush. Apparently this really scares them. For us, it’s obeying God, and it’s also plain smart to support your leaders.
  21. The DJ grills the camp director on his show, accusing her of “indoctrination“. She responds by saying that everyone else is indoctrinating kids for their purposes, which I thought was a pretty valid retort. The DJ accuses her of brainwashing kids for the Republicans, and says God will judge her for “messing with kids”. I love this one – he says “I respect your right as a fundamentalist” and in the same breath forbids her from spilling it into the public sector. The DJ is aghast.

So that’s my summary of Jesus Camp. Much ado about something, these kids are radical enough to rightfully scare the pants off of relativists, Sunday morning churchgoers, and political pundits.

The Call Reruns

Just found an even better way to get The Call reruns –

1. www.god.tv

2. Register on the site

3. Go to “video on demand”

4. You can see COMPLETE reruns of The Call in way better detail.

5. To adjust the timeline you need to right-click and select Zoom> Full Screen

Enjoy.

CAVEAT – This link is only good until August 7, 2007.

The Call – Podcast Info

Anyone who missed it or wants to hear it all over again can go here and get a good chunk of it back. Thanks Firekeep podcast people for the bootleg!